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<title>Exclude donors with risky behaviour (616 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362794#362794</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [url]http&#58;//www&#46;ctv&#46;ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20100909/donation-policy-100909/[/url]<br />
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<blockquote>Canadian Blood Services is legally allowed to ban men who have sex with men from donating blood, an Ontario court has found. Gay rights groups are furious with the decision.<br />
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In a ruling Thursday, the Ontario Superior Court dismissed a constitutional challenge from a man who tried to fight the policy. The court decided that the law does not give someone the right to donate blood. It also noted that the Charter of Rights does not apply to the blood agency's policies, because it is not a government entity. <br />
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The ruling stems from a case that began with Canadian Blood Services suing a gay man named Kyle Freeman, who lied about his sexual status when he donated blood several times between 1990 and 2002. Once the agency learned that Freeman had lied on his questionnaires, they sued. <br />
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Freeman argued he lied because the policy banning gay men from donating wasn't scientifically justified and violated his rights. He launched a counterclaim under the Charter. <br />
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But on Thursday, the court dismissed the challenge, finding Freeman liable for $10,000 for negligent misrepresentation. <br />
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The judge in the case, Justice Catherine Aitken, did note in her written decision that gay and bisexual men may feel &quot;a loss of dignity, a feeling of marginalization, a sense of disappointment, and a sense of injustice&quot; when denied the opportunity to give blood. <br />
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But she ruled that the impact of that injustice is not &quot;in the same league&quot; as a blood recipient being asked to accept lower safety standards. <br />
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Anger over ruling<br />
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Egale Canada spokesperson Helen Kennedy expressed disappointment with the decision, saying, &quot;The negative consequences this ruling has on Charter rights are enormous.&quot; <br />
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Monique Doolittle-Romas, the executive director of the Canadian AIDS Society (CAS), says it's &quot;disturbing&quot; that the court framed the case as a &quot;contest&quot; between safety and gay rights. <br />
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CAS Board Vice-Chair Jeffrey Keller added in a statement: &quot;In the end, this simply means that groups, such as CAS, [Canadian Federation of Students] and Egale, will continue to apply pressure until CBS relents and changes its outdated policy. It's a divisive policy that turns away many young adults who are dissatisfied with it, and in the process, curtails Canada's blood supply.&quot; <br />
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&quot;We will keep fighting for change that will produce an improved screening question that respects both the safety of the blood supply and human rights.&quot; <br />
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Canadian Blood Services requires prospective blood donors to complete questionnaires ahead of their donation about their medical history and potentially harmful behaviour. <br />
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Intravenous drug users, people who may have been exposed to Creutzfeld-Jakob disease (mad cow disease), people who have exchanged money for sex or drugs are all permanently banned. Currently, men who had sex with men from 1977 onwards (the year estimated as the start of the AIDS epidemic) also face &quot;indefinite deferrals&quot; from donations. <br />
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Earlier this year, two doctors wrote in an article in the Canadian Medical Association Journal that Canada's ban on donations from homosexual men is outdated and unfair. <br />
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Dr. Mark Wainberg, the head of the McGill University AIDS Centre, and Dr. Norbert Gilmore, of the McGill Centre for Medicine, Ethics and Law, argued that fears of the opotential for HIV transmission are unfounded, because it is almost impossible for today's HIV tests to produce false results. <br />
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They also argued that a better policy would be to allow donations only from gay men in long-term, monogamous relationships. Those with multiple sex partners should still be barred, just as heterosexuals with multiple partners currently face one-year deferrals, they argued. </blockquote>... </a>]]></description> 
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<blockquote>Canadian Blood Services is legally allowed to ban men who have sex with men from donating blood, an Ontario court has found. Gay rights groups are furious with the decision.<br />
<br />
In a ruling Thursday, the Ontario Superior Court dismissed a constitutional challenge from a man who tried to fight the policy. The court decided that the law does not give someone the right to donate blood. It also noted that the Charter of Rights does not apply to the blood agency's policies, because it is not a government entity. <br />
<br />
The ruling stems from a case that began with Canadian Blood Services suing a gay man named Kyle Freeman, who lied about his sexual status when he donated blood several times between 1990 and 2002. Once the agency learned that Freeman had lied on his questionnaires, they sued. <br />
<br />
Freeman argued he lied because the policy banning gay men from donating wasn't scientifically justified and violated his rights. He launched a counterclaim under the Charter. <br />
<br />
But on Thursday, the court dismissed the challenge, finding Freeman liable for $10,000 for negligent misrepresentation. <br />
<br />
The judge in the case, Justice Catherine Aitken, did note in her written decision that gay and bisexual men may feel &quot;a loss of dignity, a feeling of marginalization, a sense of disappointment, and a sense of injustice&quot; when denied the opportunity to give blood. <br />
<br />
But she ruled that the impact of that injustice is not &quot;in the same league&quot; as a blood recipient being asked to accept lower safety standards. <br />
<br />
Anger over ruling<br />
<br />
Egale Canada spokesperson Helen Kennedy expressed disappointment with the decision, saying, &quot;The negative consequences this ruling has on Charter rights are enormous.&quot; <br />
<br />
<br />
Monique Doolittle-Romas, the executive director of the Canadian AIDS Society (CAS), says it's &quot;disturbing&quot; that the court framed the case as a &quot;contest&quot; between safety and gay rights. <br />
<br />
CAS Board Vice-Chair Jeffrey Keller added in a statement: &quot;In the end, this simply means that groups, such as CAS, [Canadian Federation of Students] and Egale, will continue to apply pressure until CBS relents and changes its outdated policy. It's a divisive policy that turns away many young adults who are dissatisfied with it, and in the process, curtails Canada's blood supply.&quot; <br />
<br />
&quot;We will keep fighting for change that will produce an improved screening question that respects both the safety of the blood supply and human rights.&quot; <br />
<br />
Canadian Blood Services requires prospective blood donors to complete questionnaires ahead of their donation about their medical history and potentially harmful behaviour. <br />
<br />
Intravenous drug users, people who may have been exposed to Creutzfeld-Jakob disease (mad cow disease), people who have exchanged money for sex or drugs are all permanently banned. Currently, men who had sex with men from 1977 onwards (the year estimated as the start of the AIDS epidemic) also face &quot;indefinite deferrals&quot; from donations. <br />
<br />
Earlier this year, two doctors wrote in an article in the Canadian Medical Association Journal that Canada's ban on donations from homosexual men is outdated and unfair. <br />
<br />
Dr. Mark Wainberg, the head of the McGill University AIDS Centre, and Dr. Norbert Gilmore, of the McGill Centre for Medicine, Ethics and Law, argued that fears of the opotential for HIV transmission are unfounded, because it is almost impossible for today's HIV tests to produce false results. <br />
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They also argued that a better policy would be to allow donations only from gay men in long-term, monogamous relationships. Those with multiple sex partners should still be barred, just as heterosexuals with multiple partners currently face one-year deferrals, they argued. </blockquote> ]]></content> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (158 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362793#362793</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Can you please show me where I ever claimed that religion was the only path or cause to fanaticism? <br />
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[quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;]I see where sloughfoot is going with this, although I may not necessarily agree with his conclusions.<br />
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To be religious one must rely on faith and accept certain things because you are told they are so without proof.  That is the first step on a path that leads to fanaticism, and if that firs step were not taken the path to fanaticism is bypassed.<br />
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The problem with this assumption is that religion is the only path to fanaticism and this just isn't the case.  You don't need religion for it and I woul put forth that without religion, human nature being what it is, there would be sects of people that would act in radical and fanatical and dangerous ways even still, just about something else.<br />
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(i.e. patriotism, racialism, sexism, classism, etc...)</blockquote>... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Can you please show me where I ever claimed that religion was the only path or cause to fanaticism? <br />
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[quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;]I see where sloughfoot is going with this, although I may not necessarily agree with his conclusions.<br />
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To be religious one must rely on faith and accept certain things because you are told they are so without proof.  That is the first step on a path that leads to fanaticism, and if that firs step were not taken the path to fanaticism is bypassed.<br />
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The problem with this assumption is that religion is the only path to fanaticism and this just isn't the case.  You don't need religion for it and I woul put forth that without religion, human nature being what it is, there would be sects of people that would act in radical and fanatical and dangerous ways even still, just about something else.<br />
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(i.e. patriotism, racialism, sexism, classism, etc...)</blockquote> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 13:03</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (27 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362792#362792</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;] Lives were certainly changed forever because of someone's love for a God.</blockquote><br />
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In both good and bad way, yet you seem fixated on the negative.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;] Lives were certainly changed forever because of someone's love for a God.</blockquote><br />
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In both good and bad way, yet you seem fixated on the negative. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:58</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (157 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362791#362791</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Many Muslims believe that the 911 hijackers were doing a good deed for their God.  It was for the love of their God that the Christians launched the Crusades.  And it was for the love of his God that Jephthah made a vow that if God gave him victory in battle, he would sacrifice whatever first came out of his door when he came home.  That turned out to be his daughter so she had to go.  Lives were certainly changed forever because of someone's love for a God.<br />
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[quote=&quot;timeforchange&quot;][quote=&quot;champ&quot;]Say what you want more wars have been started and more people have been killed by someone's love for their God than any other reason.</blockquote><br />
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And more good deeds and more lives have been saved because of someone's love for a God than any other reason.<br />
Hence my point.<br />
Religions are not dangerous. People who use religion for evil are dangerous.</blockquote>... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Many Muslims believe that the 911 hijackers were doing a good deed for their God.  It was for the love of their God that the Christians launched the Crusades.  And it was for the love of his God that Jephthah made a vow that if God gave him victory in battle, he would sacrifice whatever first came out of his door when he came home.  That turned out to be his daughter so she had to go.  Lives were certainly changed forever because of someone's love for a God.<br />
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[quote=&quot;timeforchange&quot;][quote=&quot;champ&quot;]Say what you want more wars have been started and more people have been killed by someone's love for their God than any other reason.</blockquote><br />
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And more good deeds and more lives have been saved because of someone's love for a God than any other reason.<br />
Hence my point.<br />
Religions are not dangerous. People who use religion for evil are dangerous.</blockquote> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:55</date> 
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<title>Shawn Murphy attacks hateful online comments (69 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362790#362790</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Right on the button.<br />
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Some people go to far and as a service provider, if I get a phone call from anyone wishing to pursue what someone on here said, I'll pass on the info in a heartbeat.<br />
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As a website, I do have access to view every individuals IP address. In conjunction with your ISP, they will provide the authorities your contact information (it has happened).... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Right on the button.<br />
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Some people go to far and as a service provider, if I get a phone call from anyone wishing to pursue what someone on here said, I'll pass on the info in a heartbeat.<br />
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As a website, I do have access to view every individuals IP address. In conjunction with your ISP, they will provide the authorities your contact information (it has happened). ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:53</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (15 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362789#362789</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ if Eastlink were an option for me I would be with them in an instant... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ if Eastlink were an option for me I would be with them in an instant ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:49</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (137 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362788#362788</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ I see where sloughfoot is going with this, although I may not necessarily agree with his conclusions.<br />
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To be religious one must rely on faith and accept certain things because you are told they are so without proof.  That is the first step on a path that leads to fanaticism, and if that firs step were not taken the path to fanaticism is bypassed.<br />
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The problem with this assumption is that religion is the only path to fanaticism and this just isn't the case.  You don't need religion for it and I woul put forth that without religion, human nature being what it is, there would be sects of people that would act in radical and fanatical and dangerous ways even still, just about something else.<br />
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(i.e. patriotism, racialism, sexism, classism, etc...)... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ I see where sloughfoot is going with this, although I may not necessarily agree with his conclusions.<br />
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To be religious one must rely on faith and accept certain things because you are told they are so without proof.  That is the first step on a path that leads to fanaticism, and if that firs step were not taken the path to fanaticism is bypassed.<br />
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The problem with this assumption is that religion is the only path to fanaticism and this just isn't the case.  You don't need religion for it and I woul put forth that without religion, human nature being what it is, there would be sects of people that would act in radical and fanatical and dangerous ways even still, just about something else.<br />
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(i.e. patriotism, racialism, sexism, classism, etc...) ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:48</date> 
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<title>'Hateful' online comments attacked by MP (260 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362787#362787</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>Charlottetown MP Shawn Murphy is warning people to stop making potentially defamatory comments on the websites of CBC P.E.I. and the Charlottetown Guardian newspaper.<br />
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Charlottetown MP Shawn Murphy says he expects a lawsuit could eventually result from comments made on news websites. (shawnmurphymp.ca)<br />
Both sites offer readers the opportunity to post anonymous comments in response to news stories.<br />
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&quot;I am actually shocked at some of the anonymous comments that are posted online,&quot; Murphy said in a news release issued late on Wednesday. &quot;Some are hateful, many times untrue, and potentially defamatory.<br />
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Murphy did not identify any particular story or comments but expressed a more general concern.<br />
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&quot;The law is clear and it is just a matter of time before both the media organizations and the actual writers of some of these comments end up on the wrong side of an expensive and costly defamation suit.&quot;<br />
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Murphy said commenters cannot hide from the law, referring to recent cases in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick where courts ordered the release of identifying information of anonymous authors of comments.<br />
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&quot;I believe there is a mistaken view out there that the internet is the Wild West, and the law that applies to magazines and television and does not apply,&quot; he said.<br />
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Murphy expressed surprise that both the Guardian and CBC still allow comments to be made anonymously. While supporting free speech, Murphy said people should have the courage to, and be forced, to disclose their identities.</blockquote><br />
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While he never mentioned PEIinfo, the same is true here.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ <blockquote>Charlottetown MP Shawn Murphy is warning people to stop making potentially defamatory comments on the websites of CBC P.E.I. and the Charlottetown Guardian newspaper.<br />
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Charlottetown MP Shawn Murphy says he expects a lawsuit could eventually result from comments made on news websites. (shawnmurphymp.ca)<br />
Both sites offer readers the opportunity to post anonymous comments in response to news stories.<br />
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&quot;I am actually shocked at some of the anonymous comments that are posted online,&quot; Murphy said in a news release issued late on Wednesday. &quot;Some are hateful, many times untrue, and potentially defamatory.<br />
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Murphy did not identify any particular story or comments but expressed a more general concern.<br />
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&quot;The law is clear and it is just a matter of time before both the media organizations and the actual writers of some of these comments end up on the wrong side of an expensive and costly defamation suit.&quot;<br />
<br />
Murphy said commenters cannot hide from the law, referring to recent cases in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick where courts ordered the release of identifying information of anonymous authors of comments.<br />
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&quot;I believe there is a mistaken view out there that the internet is the Wild West, and the law that applies to magazines and television and does not apply,&quot; he said.<br />
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Murphy expressed surprise that both the Guardian and CBC still allow comments to be made anonymously. While supporting free speech, Murphy said people should have the courage to, and be forced, to disclose their identities.</blockquote><br />
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While he never mentioned PEIinfo, the same is true here. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:45</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (144 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362786#362786</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Now see - that there is another reason that I have Eastlink.<br />
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I used their regular high speed for 4 years and have been on their business high speed for my home office for a year now - and not once in five years have I EVER lost the internet.  Not even for a minute.  My computer has broken down plenty of times - but my sweet Eastlink internet is always there waiting for me to plug in my back up computers and it's ready to go.<br />
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My work is sent to my clients all over the country via internet.  No reliable internet always at my fingertips when a client needs something = no food to feed my kids when they are hungry.  No internet = no money.  Eastlink has NEVER failed me yet. (Knocks on wood.)... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Now see - that there is another reason that I have Eastlink.<br />
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I used their regular high speed for 4 years and have been on their business high speed for my home office for a year now - and not once in five years have I EVER lost the internet.  Not even for a minute.  My computer has broken down plenty of times - but my sweet Eastlink internet is always there waiting for me to plug in my back up computers and it's ready to go.<br />
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My work is sent to my clients all over the country via internet.  No reliable internet always at my fingertips when a client needs something = no food to feed my kids when they are hungry.  No internet = no money.  Eastlink has NEVER failed me yet. (Knocks on wood.) ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:43</date> 
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<description><![CDATA[ Sorry. The Doghouse on Belvedere. Had Dinner there on Tuesday night. Just plain bad.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Sorry. The Doghouse on Belvedere. Had Dinner there on Tuesday night. Just plain bad. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:41</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (93 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362784#362784</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ I called them once to find out how much it would cost for me to add Internet to my bill. The bill was in my partners name and they wouldn't give me any prices on it! I said.. well what about if you just give me a price and we'll say it's not relating to any account, I just want to know the price - she REFUSED to tell me any prices so I just told her thanks, I'll be switching to Eastlink by the end of the week - and we did.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ I called them once to find out how much it would cost for me to add Internet to my bill. The bill was in my partners name and they wouldn't give me any prices on it! I said.. well what about if you just give me a price and we'll say it's not relating to any account, I just want to know the price - she REFUSED to tell me any prices so I just told her thanks, I'll be switching to Eastlink by the end of the week - and we did. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:37</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (63 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362783#362783</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;champ&quot;]Say what you want more wars have been started and more people have been killed by someone's love for their God than any other reason.</blockquote><br />
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And more good deeds and more lives have been saved because of someone's love for a God than any other reason.<br />
Hence my point.<br />
Religions are not dangerous. People who use religion for evil are dangerous.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;champ&quot;]Say what you want more wars have been started and more people have been killed by someone's love for their God than any other reason.</blockquote><br />
<br />
<br />
And more good deeds and more lives have been saved because of someone's love for a God than any other reason.<br />
Hence my point.<br />
Religions are not dangerous. People who use religion for evil are dangerous. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:33</date> 
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<title>biovectra seeks to stop construction of  apts (28 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362782#362782</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Having lived in the vicinity of Biovectra, I would never *NEVER* live any closer.  That lot should have been commercial high density residential. <br />
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Really stupid.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Having lived in the vicinity of Biovectra, I would never *NEVER* live any closer.  That lot should have been commercial high density residential. <br />
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Really stupid. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:32</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (510 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362781#362781</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;]First off, I didn't think that we were arguing - I thought we were discussing rationally.  </blockquote><br />
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Take your pick of definitions:<br />
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ar·gu·ment n.<br />
1. a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate.<br />
2. a. A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood: presented a careful argument for extraterrestrial life.<br />
b. A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now.<br />
c. A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion from the others.<br />
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Seems like this is an argument to me.<br />
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<blockquote> Secondly, I would have to say yes - that to some degree people who have religion are fanatics - but to varying degrees.  They have to be to be believers in a fanatical concept like a supreme being without being offered any proof that such a being exists. Faith is by its very nature fanatical.</blockquote><br />
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Here is a definition of &quot;fanatical&quot;.  This is the definition I am familiar with. I assume most other rational people would agree that this is a satisfactory definition of the concept of &quot;fanatical&quot;.<br />
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fanatical adj<br />
surpassing what is normal or accepted in enthusiasm for or belief in something; excessively or unusually dedicated or devoted<br />
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&quot;surpassing what is normal or accepted in enthusiasm for or belief in something&quot; does not apply to a basic belief in religion.  Fanatics are people who surpass the normal enthusiasm.<br />
I think it's important that we understand, and use in appropriate ways, the words that we throw about.  Otherwise it becomes impossible to discuss rationally about anything.<br />
When you say &quot;a fanatical concept&quot;, I think what you actually mean is &quot;a fantastical concept&quot;.<br />
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I whole-heartedly disagree with your assertion that &quot;Faith is by its very nature fanatical&quot;<br />
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<blockquote>I don't believe that there is an invisible man living in the sky.  How does that make me the fanatical one? </blockquote><br />
It doesn't make you the fanatical one.<br />
Claiming that all people of all religions are fanatical is an extreme position.  One might say it's a fanatical position, one that surpasses the normal enthusiasm.  In that way, you seem to be fanatical in your opinion.<br />
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<blockquote>As for my analogy of the fire and the house - the fire was the tool of a fanatic. Period.  Fire is not fanatical but it was employed by a fanatic to achieve a fanatical result.</blockquote><br />
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But your analogy...<br />
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<blockquote>To blame the people brainwashed by such organizations is like saying the fire destroyed the house - not the arsonist!</blockquote><br />
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... doesn't support your assertion, because the fire did destroy the house.  The fanatic (arsonist) is the one who set the fire, but that does not discount the fact that the fire actually destroyed the house.  So your analogy is meaningless.<br />
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In all honesty, I don't know how your analogy is supposed to reflect the topic of discussion.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;]First off, I didn't think that we were arguing - I thought we were discussing rationally.  </blockquote><br />
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Take your pick of definitions:<br />
<br />
ar·gu·ment n.<br />
1. a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate.<br />
2. a. A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood: presented a careful argument for extraterrestrial life.<br />
b. A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now.<br />
c. A set of statements in which one follows logically as a conclusion from the others.<br />
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Seems like this is an argument to me.<br />
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<blockquote> Secondly, I would have to say yes - that to some degree people who have religion are fanatics - but to varying degrees.  They have to be to be believers in a fanatical concept like a supreme being without being offered any proof that such a being exists. Faith is by its very nature fanatical.</blockquote><br />
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Here is a definition of &quot;fanatical&quot;.  This is the definition I am familiar with. I assume most other rational people would agree that this is a satisfactory definition of the concept of &quot;fanatical&quot;.<br />
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fanatical adj<br />
surpassing what is normal or accepted in enthusiasm for or belief in something; excessively or unusually dedicated or devoted<br />
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&quot;surpassing what is normal or accepted in enthusiasm for or belief in something&quot; does not apply to a basic belief in religion.  Fanatics are people who surpass the normal enthusiasm.<br />
I think it's important that we understand, and use in appropriate ways, the words that we throw about.  Otherwise it becomes impossible to discuss rationally about anything.<br />
When you say &quot;a fanatical concept&quot;, I think what you actually mean is &quot;a fantastical concept&quot;.<br />
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I whole-heartedly disagree with your assertion that &quot;Faith is by its very nature fanatical&quot;<br />
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<blockquote>I don't believe that there is an invisible man living in the sky.  How does that make me the fanatical one? </blockquote><br />
It doesn't make you the fanatical one.<br />
Claiming that all people of all religions are fanatical is an extreme position.  One might say it's a fanatical position, one that surpasses the normal enthusiasm.  In that way, you seem to be fanatical in your opinion.<br />
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<blockquote>As for my analogy of the fire and the house - the fire was the tool of a fanatic. Period.  Fire is not fanatical but it was employed by a fanatic to achieve a fanatical result.</blockquote><br />
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But your analogy...<br />
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<blockquote>To blame the people brainwashed by such organizations is like saying the fire destroyed the house - not the arsonist!</blockquote><br />
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... doesn't support your assertion, because the fire did destroy the house.  The fanatic (arsonist) is the one who set the fire, but that does not discount the fact that the fire actually destroyed the house.  So your analogy is meaningless.<br />
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In all honesty, I don't know how your analogy is supposed to reflect the topic of discussion. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:26</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (25 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362780#362780</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Say what you want more wars have been started and more people have been killed by someone's love for their God than any other reason.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Say what you want more wars have been started and more people have been killed by someone's love for their God than any other reason. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:24</date> 
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<title>The Best Candidate for Job (270 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362779#362779</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ The CIA had an opening for an assassin. After all of the background checks, interviews, and tests were done there were three finalists — two men and one woman. For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun. &quot;We must know that you will follow your instructions, no matter what the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your wife sitting in a chair. You have to kill her.&quot;<br />
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The first man said, &quot;You can't be serious. I could never shoot my wife.&quot; The agent replies, &quot;Then you're not the right man for this job.&quot;<br />
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The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was quiet for about five minutes. Then the agent came outwith tears in his eyes. &quot;I tried, but I can't kill my wife.&quot; The agent replies, &quot;You don't have what it takes. Take your wife and go home.&quot;<br />
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Finally, it was the woman's turn. Only she was told to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one shot after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow and said, &quot;You guys didn't tell me the gun was loaded with blanks. I had to beat him to death with the chair!&quot; <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ The CIA had an opening for an assassin. After all of the background checks, interviews, and tests were done there were three finalists — two men and one woman. For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun. &quot;We must know that you will follow your instructions, no matter what the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your wife sitting in a chair. You have to kill her.&quot;<br />
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The first man said, &quot;You can't be serious. I could never shoot my wife.&quot; The agent replies, &quot;Then you're not the right man for this job.&quot;<br />
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The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was quiet for about five minutes. Then the agent came outwith tears in his eyes. &quot;I tried, but I can't kill my wife.&quot; The agent replies, &quot;You don't have what it takes. Take your wife and go home.&quot;<br />
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Finally, it was the woman's turn. Only she was told to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one shot after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow and said, &quot;You guys didn't tell me the gun was loaded with blanks. I had to beat him to death with the chair!&quot; <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:18</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (42 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362778#362778</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Again, it's not religion that is the issue.<br />
Hitler was not a religious man.<br />
Pol Pot was not a religious man.<br />
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They were radical nutjobs and they used fear and hate to motivate.<br />
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They didn't need religion to do it.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Again, it's not religion that is the issue.<br />
Hitler was not a religious man.<br />
Pol Pot was not a religious man.<br />
<br />
They were radical nutjobs and they used fear and hate to motivate.<br />
<br />
They didn't need religion to do it. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:16</date> 
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<title>New Boots (194 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362777#362777</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ An elderly Florida couple, Sam and Bessie, are vacationing in Las Vegas. Sam always wanted a pair of authentic cowboy boots. Seeing some on sale one day, Sam buys them, and wears them back to the hotel, walking proudly.<br />
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He walks into their room and says to his wife, &quot;Notice anything different about me?&quot;<br />
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Bessie looks him over, &quot;Nope.&quot;<br />
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Sam says excitedly, &quot;Come on, Bessie, take a good look. Notice anything different about me?&quot;<br />
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Bessie looks again, &quot;Nope.&quot;<br />
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Frustrated, Sam storms off into the bathroom, undresses, and walks back into the room completely naked except for his boots. Again he asks, a little louder this time, &quot;Notice anything different now?&quot; Bessie looks up and says, &quot;Sam, what's different? It's hanging down today, it was hanging down yesterday, it'll be hanging down again tomorrow.&quot;<br />
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Furious, Sam yells, &quot;And do you know why it's hanging down, Bessie? It's hanging down because it's looking at my new boots!&quot;<br />
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To which Bessie replies, &quot;Shoulda bought a hat, Sam. Shoulda bought a hat.&quot; <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ An elderly Florida couple, Sam and Bessie, are vacationing in Las Vegas. Sam always wanted a pair of authentic cowboy boots. Seeing some on sale one day, Sam buys them, and wears them back to the hotel, walking proudly.<br />
<br />
He walks into their room and says to his wife, &quot;Notice anything different about me?&quot;<br />
<br />
Bessie looks him over, &quot;Nope.&quot;<br />
<br />
Sam says excitedly, &quot;Come on, Bessie, take a good look. Notice anything different about me?&quot;<br />
<br />
Bessie looks again, &quot;Nope.&quot;<br />
<br />
Frustrated, Sam storms off into the bathroom, undresses, and walks back into the room completely naked except for his boots. Again he asks, a little louder this time, &quot;Notice anything different now?&quot; Bessie looks up and says, &quot;Sam, what's different? It's hanging down today, it was hanging down yesterday, it'll be hanging down again tomorrow.&quot;<br />
<br />
Furious, Sam yells, &quot;And do you know why it's hanging down, Bessie? It's hanging down because it's looking at my new boots!&quot;<br />
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To which Bessie replies, &quot;Shoulda bought a hat, Sam. Shoulda bought a hat.&quot; <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:16</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (96 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362776#362776</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ No.  But the religion is used as a cover to commit the violeence or acts of intolerence.  When you have to accept a radical and unstable assertions without any proof, then you get radical and unstable organizations filled with and run by radical and unstable people.  You're either a rationalist or your not.<br />
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[quote=&quot;timeforchange&quot;]None of those absolute truths seem to be advocating violence.<br />
Again, it is the radicals and the unstable who take these readings and manipulate them to reach their own sick goals that are the problem. <br />
Not the religions.</blockquote>... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ No.  But the religion is used as a cover to commit the violeence or acts of intolerence.  When you have to accept a radical and unstable assertions without any proof, then you get radical and unstable organizations filled with and run by radical and unstable people.  You're either a rationalist or your not.<br />
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[quote=&quot;timeforchange&quot;]None of those absolute truths seem to be advocating violence.<br />
Again, it is the radicals and the unstable who take these readings and manipulate them to reach their own sick goals that are the problem. <br />
Not the religions.</blockquote> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:11</date> 
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<title>Those fiscally responsible Conservatives are at it again. (29 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362775#362775</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Let's take pandering to Quebec to a new level.<br />
The fiscal responsibility just keeps rolling on with this hypocrite.<br />
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<!-- m --><a class=&#34;postlink&#34; href=&#34;http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/08/don-martin-harper-prepares-to-buy-off-quebec/&#34;>http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... ff-quebec/</a><!-- m -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Let's take pandering to Quebec to a new level.<br />
The fiscal responsibility just keeps rolling on with this hypocrite.<br />
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<!-- m --><a class=&#34;postlink&#34; href=&#34;http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/08/don-martin-harper-prepares-to-buy-off-quebec/&#34;>http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... ff-quebec/</a><!-- m --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:09</date> 
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<title>Change the Oil (247 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362774#362774</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Murphy's' old lady had been pregnant for some time and now the time had come. He<br />
brought her to the doctor and the doctor began to deliver the baby. She had a<br />
little boy, and the doctor looked over at Murphy and said. 'Hey, Murph! You just<br />
had you a son,!<br />
'Ain't dat grand, !!' Murphy got excited by this, but just then the doctor spoke<br />
up and said, 'Hold on! We ain't finished yet, !'<br />
The doctor then delivered a little girl.<br />
He said, 'Hey, Murph! You got you a daughter, !!!! She is a pretty lil ting,<br />
too....'<br />
Murphy got kind of puzzled by this and then the doctor said, 'Hold on, we ain’t<br />
got done yet!'<br />
The doctor then delivered another boy and said, 'Murph, you just had yourself<br />
another boy!'<br />
Murphy said to the doctor, 'Doc, what caused all of dem babies,?'<br />
The doctor said, 'You never know Murph, it was probably something that happened<br />
during conception.'<br />
Murphy said, 'Ah yeah, during conception.'<br />
When Murph and his wife went home with their three children, he sat down with<br />
his wife and said, 'Mama, you remember dat night that we ran out of Vaseline and<br />
we had to use dat dere 3-in-1 Oil.'<br />
She said, 'Yeah, I remember dat night...'<br />
Murph said, 'I'll tell you, it's a bloody good thing we didn't use WD-40.  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Murphy's' old lady had been pregnant for some time and now the time had come. He<br />
brought her to the doctor and the doctor began to deliver the baby. She had a<br />
little boy, and the doctor looked over at Murphy and said. 'Hey, Murph! You just<br />
had you a son,!<br />
'Ain't dat grand, !!' Murphy got excited by this, but just then the doctor spoke<br />
up and said, 'Hold on! We ain't finished yet, !'<br />
The doctor then delivered a little girl.<br />
He said, 'Hey, Murph! You got you a daughter, !!!! She is a pretty lil ting,<br />
too....'<br />
Murphy got kind of puzzled by this and then the doctor said, 'Hold on, we ain’t<br />
got done yet!'<br />
The doctor then delivered another boy and said, 'Murph, you just had yourself<br />
another boy!'<br />
Murphy said to the doctor, 'Doc, what caused all of dem babies,?'<br />
The doctor said, 'You never know Murph, it was probably something that happened<br />
during conception.'<br />
Murphy said, 'Ah yeah, during conception.'<br />
When Murph and his wife went home with their three children, he sat down with<br />
his wife and said, 'Mama, you remember dat night that we ran out of Vaseline and<br />
we had to use dat dere 3-in-1 Oil.'<br />
She said, 'Yeah, I remember dat night...'<br />
Murph said, 'I'll tell you, it's a bloody good thing we didn't use WD-40.  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 12:08</date> 
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<title>Opinions needed on the proper temperature in my attic. (202 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362773#362773</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;]Even with proper venting, 41 degrees vs 23 degrees outside doesn't sound extreme to me on a sunny day.  Try getting in a big black tent with some holes poked along the bottom and a small line of vents at the top, it will still get very hot in there on a sunny day, especially if there is little wind.<br />
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I don't understand what the contractor did in your case though, they blocked of gable vents and installed true vents, did they also install perforated soffit or was there already vented soffits?  If not the true vents aren't doing a thing, they are just a method to allow air from the vented soffit get into the attic and then out through the ridge vents. <br />
<br />
Beyond keeping the attic cooler proper venting also removes excess humidity that can build up in your attic as well.<br />
<br />
The third and I would say most important function of attic ventilation is in the winter time, it keeps the attic colder and thus reduces the chance of ice damning on the surface of the roof.</blockquote><br />
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I forgot to mention that we did install a &quot;breathable&quot; soffit.<br />
Thanks for your input... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;]Even with proper venting, 41 degrees vs 23 degrees outside doesn't sound extreme to me on a sunny day.  Try getting in a big black tent with some holes poked along the bottom and a small line of vents at the top, it will still get very hot in there on a sunny day, especially if there is little wind.<br />
<br />
I don't understand what the contractor did in your case though, they blocked of gable vents and installed true vents, did they also install perforated soffit or was there already vented soffits?  If not the true vents aren't doing a thing, they are just a method to allow air from the vented soffit get into the attic and then out through the ridge vents. <br />
<br />
Beyond keeping the attic cooler proper venting also removes excess humidity that can build up in your attic as well.<br />
<br />
The third and I would say most important function of attic ventilation is in the winter time, it keeps the attic colder and thus reduces the chance of ice damning on the surface of the roof.</blockquote><br />
<br />
I forgot to mention that we did install a &quot;breathable&quot; soffit.<br />
Thanks for your input ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:59</date> 
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<title>Bin Laden won the war long ago. (33 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362772#362772</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Crusher&quot;][quote=&quot;Rob MacD&quot;]moot</blockquote><br />
 Is that not what a cow does??? <!-- s:roll: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:roll:&#34; title=&#34;Rolling Eyes&#34; /><!-- s:roll: --></blockquote><br />
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You REALLY REALLY should pay more attention to your own signature.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Crusher&quot;][quote=&quot;Rob MacD&quot;]moot</blockquote><br />
 Is that not what a cow does??? <!-- s:roll: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:roll:&#34; title=&#34;Rolling Eyes&#34; /><!-- s:roll: --></blockquote><br />
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You REALLY REALLY should pay more attention to your own signature. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:58</date> 
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<title>Shawn Murphy attacks hateful online comments (78 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362771#362771</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ I like Shawn but in this case he is dead wrong.<br />
If there is in fact a defamation issue I would have no problem with the Guardian or CBC releasing information on the poster, but to censor the sites would be counter to our democracy.<br />
<br />
One could argue of course that neither have to provide a forum for comments but that is their choice and should not be legislated. Often those comment sections can be very informative.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ I like Shawn but in this case he is dead wrong.<br />
If there is in fact a defamation issue I would have no problem with the Guardian or CBC releasing information on the poster, but to censor the sites would be counter to our democracy.<br />
<br />
One could argue of course that neither have to provide a forum for comments but that is their choice and should not be legislated. Often those comment sections can be very informative. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:56</date> 
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<title>biovectra seeks to stop construction of  apts (13 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362770#362770</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ <!-- m --><a class=&#34;postlink&#34; href=&#34;http://www.irac.pe.ca/HearingRoom/&#34;>http://www.irac.pe.ca/HearingRoom/</a><!-- m --><br />
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1:00 pm here we go!... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ <!-- m --><a class=&#34;postlink&#34; href=&#34;http://www.irac.pe.ca/HearingRoom/&#34;>http://www.irac.pe.ca/HearingRoom/</a><!-- m --><br />
<br />
1:00 pm here we go! ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:54</date> 
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<title>Bin Laden won the war long ago. (20 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362769#362769</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Rob MacD&quot;]moot</blockquote><br />
 Is that not what a cow does??? <!-- s:roll: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:roll:&#34; title=&#34;Rolling Eyes&#34; /><!-- s:roll: -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Rob MacD&quot;]moot</blockquote><br />
 Is that not what a cow does??? <!-- s:roll: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:roll:&#34; title=&#34;Rolling Eyes&#34; /><!-- s:roll: --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:54</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (114 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362768#362768</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Culland&quot;]Well if it makes you feel better, had they actually been able to find your account they would have told you the internet wasn't down and proceeded to run through steps 1-10 of their call desk manual which generally took long enough for the internet to come back up.</blockquote><br />
<br />
How true this is!  After I hung up, I went next door to my parents place and tried calling in again from their phone as they have a phone number and a bill with the account number on it, but while I was on hold (due to a high number of callers, imagine that!) the internet came back up on it's own lol... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Culland&quot;]Well if it makes you feel better, had they actually been able to find your account they would have told you the internet wasn't down and proceeded to run through steps 1-10 of their call desk manual which generally took long enough for the internet to come back up.</blockquote><br />
<br />
How true this is!  After I hung up, I went next door to my parents place and tried calling in again from their phone as they have a phone number and a bill with the account number on it, but while I was on hold (due to a high number of callers, imagine that!) the internet came back up on it's own lol ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:53</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (472 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362767#362767</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ I have switched my cell phone to Koodo. The only reason I was leaving was their long distance rates, then when I was trying to get my phone number transferred and disconnected from their service, I ran into their Wonderful (NOT) customer service. I am so glad to be done with them. I do not have cable or internet at home ( by choice) , but if I ever change my mind, it will be satellite or Eastlink only.<br />
<br />
My brother bought a new phone, and signed a three yr contract with them, he only has a cell phone, no home phone. The screen went wonky in 2 weeks. He took it to the booth at the Charlottetown Mall. [b]He told them it was his only phone.[/b] They told him he must have done something to it and they could send it away for $25 to see what was wrong with it. Ok, so he said I will need a loaner phone. They didn't have any, but they said they would give him a call when one of theirs was returned.  It was his only phone. &quot;So, will  you suspend my charges for the time it is away, since I won't have a phone, I won't be using it and shouldn't have to pay for it.&quot; Not an option!!!  So, I told him he could use my old Bell phone, and I took it in to have them activate it, a couple of weeks after I had disconnected/changed the service to Koodo - they couldn't do it, even though I had another phone, with another company, and they could see that I was getting a credit back for the advance billing, there was nothing they could do to activate that phone. This story has many more days worth of messing around with these people, but you can see, none of it is any better!<br />
<br />
I stood beside their booth at the mall and called my brother and spoke very loudly for all the people walking by that might want to deal with Bell, so they could all hear me tell them how USELESS it was trying to deal with them.<br />
<br />
On another note, for those unfortunate enough to be stuck in a contract and wanting to talk to someone with a clue, the people at Video Pros were much more professional and helpful to deal with than the people at the Mall booth when I took in a phone that a Facebook friend gave me for him - answering my pleas for a Bell phone that had been disconnected for at least 31 days!<br />
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End of rant, but Bell/Aliant if you are reading this, closing the office here was a very bad choice for you. I suspect we will soon be an all Eastling Island!... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ I have switched my cell phone to Koodo. The only reason I was leaving was their long distance rates, then when I was trying to get my phone number transferred and disconnected from their service, I ran into their Wonderful (NOT) customer service. I am so glad to be done with them. I do not have cable or internet at home ( by choice) , but if I ever change my mind, it will be satellite or Eastlink only.<br />
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My brother bought a new phone, and signed a three yr contract with them, he only has a cell phone, no home phone. The screen went wonky in 2 weeks. He took it to the booth at the Charlottetown Mall. [b]He told them it was his only phone.[/b] They told him he must have done something to it and they could send it away for $25 to see what was wrong with it. Ok, so he said I will need a loaner phone. They didn't have any, but they said they would give him a call when one of theirs was returned.  It was his only phone. &quot;So, will  you suspend my charges for the time it is away, since I won't have a phone, I won't be using it and shouldn't have to pay for it.&quot; Not an option!!!  So, I told him he could use my old Bell phone, and I took it in to have them activate it, a couple of weeks after I had disconnected/changed the service to Koodo - they couldn't do it, even though I had another phone, with another company, and they could see that I was getting a credit back for the advance billing, there was nothing they could do to activate that phone. This story has many more days worth of messing around with these people, but you can see, none of it is any better!<br />
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I stood beside their booth at the mall and called my brother and spoke very loudly for all the people walking by that might want to deal with Bell, so they could all hear me tell them how USELESS it was trying to deal with them.<br />
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On another note, for those unfortunate enough to be stuck in a contract and wanting to talk to someone with a clue, the people at Video Pros were much more professional and helpful to deal with than the people at the Mall booth when I took in a phone that a Facebook friend gave me for him - answering my pleas for a Bell phone that had been disconnected for at least 31 days!<br />
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End of rant, but Bell/Aliant if you are reading this, closing the office here was a very bad choice for you. I suspect we will soon be an all Eastling Island! ]]></content> 
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<title>Shawn Murphy attacks hateful online comments (12 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362766#362766</link> 
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<date>2010/09/09 11:51</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (125 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362765#362765</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;redhead27&quot;] Anyways, all I wanted to do was just report that the internet was down in my area, it wasn't worth the hassle and frustration so I just hung up on the guy.<br />
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Well if it makes you feel better, had they actually been able to find your account they would have told you the internet wasn't down and proceeded to run through steps 1-10 of their call desk manual which generally took long enough for the internet to come back up.<br />
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I kept telling the guy 'I can tracert out to your machines and it dies' so stop asking me to check my IP settings, but step #2 is to do X and X is what we must do.<br />
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Cul... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;redhead27&quot;] Anyways, all I wanted to do was just report that the internet was down in my area, it wasn't worth the hassle and frustration so I just hung up on the guy.<br />
</blockquote><br />
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Well if it makes you feel better, had they actually been able to find your account they would have told you the internet wasn't down and proceeded to run through steps 1-10 of their call desk manual which generally took long enough for the internet to come back up.<br />
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I kept telling the guy 'I can tracert out to your machines and it dies' so stop asking me to check my IP settings, but step #2 is to do X and X is what we must do.<br />
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Cul ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:46</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (526 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362764#362764</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Stephen Harper chimes in on the issue ...<br />
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<blockquote>NANAIMO, B.C. - Prime Minister Stephen Harper has used his Christian faith to &quot;unequivocally condemn&quot; a Florida church that plans to burn 200 copies of the Muslim holy book.<br />
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&quot;I don't speak very often about my own religion but let me be very clear: My God and my Christ is a tolerant God, and that's what we want to see in this world,&quot; he said.<br />
<br />
Harper was adding his voice to the global outcry against a Florida preacher who plans to burn copies of the Qur'an in a bonfire Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.<br />
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Rev. Terry Jones, of the tiny Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., told a news conference Wednesday that he's received a lot of encouragement for his protest, with supporters mailing copies of the Islamic holy text to his church, which has about 50 followers.<br />
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&quot;As of right now, we are not convinced that backing down is the right thing,&quot; said Jones, who took no questions.<br />
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But Harper was direct in his denunciation.<br />
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&quot;I unequivocally condemn it,&quot; he said. &quot;We all enjoy freedom of religion and that freedom of religion comes from a tolerant spirit.&quot;<br />
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&quot;I don't think that's the way you treat other faiths, as different as those faiths may be from your own.&quot;<br />
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Earlier Wednesday, the man in charge of Canada's armed forces also voiced his disdain.<br />
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&quot;This initiative is insulting to Muslims and Canadians of all faiths who understand that freedom of thought and freedom of religion are fundamental to our way of living,&quot; Defence Minister Peter MacKay said in a statement.<br />
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&quot;We call on this pastor to bring people together, not break them apart.&quot;<br />
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U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defence Secretary Robert Gates echoed objections first raised by the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, who warned that the proposed event would place the lives of American troops in jeopardy there and elsewhere.<br />
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MacKay said Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are not fighting Islam or Islamic beliefs, but rather &quot;an extremist and brutal enemy ... that condones public stonings, pours acid in the faces of Muslim schoolgirls who want a better future, and wishes to rule people by fear, intimidation and violence.&quot;<br />
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Canadians, MacKay said, take pride in their country's fundamental values of freedom of religion and thought.<br />
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&quot;We are a country built on waves of immigrants who made Canada and who we are today,&quot; he said.<br />
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&quot;Our values are what binds Canadians together during our hardest battles and our darkest moments. We recognized the strength of these attributes in our society on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, and we rallied our spirits in the days that followed that terrible day with the knowledge that respecting our uniqueness brings Canadians closer together.&quot;<br />
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Jones has been under intense pressure from the White House and religious leaders to call off his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God, but so far he's shown no signs of backing down.</blockquote><br />
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[url=http&#58;//ca&#46;news&#46;yahoo&#46;com/s/capress/100908/national/quran_burning_cda]Article continued here[/url]... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Stephen Harper chimes in on the issue ...<br />
<br />
<blockquote>NANAIMO, B.C. - Prime Minister Stephen Harper has used his Christian faith to &quot;unequivocally condemn&quot; a Florida church that plans to burn 200 copies of the Muslim holy book.<br />
<br />
&quot;I don't speak very often about my own religion but let me be very clear: My God and my Christ is a tolerant God, and that's what we want to see in this world,&quot; he said.<br />
<br />
Harper was adding his voice to the global outcry against a Florida preacher who plans to burn copies of the Qur'an in a bonfire Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.<br />
<br />
Rev. Terry Jones, of the tiny Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., told a news conference Wednesday that he's received a lot of encouragement for his protest, with supporters mailing copies of the Islamic holy text to his church, which has about 50 followers.<br />
<br />
&quot;As of right now, we are not convinced that backing down is the right thing,&quot; said Jones, who took no questions.<br />
<br />
But Harper was direct in his denunciation.<br />
<br />
&quot;I unequivocally condemn it,&quot; he said. &quot;We all enjoy freedom of religion and that freedom of religion comes from a tolerant spirit.&quot;<br />
<br />
&quot;I don't think that's the way you treat other faiths, as different as those faiths may be from your own.&quot;<br />
<br />
Earlier Wednesday, the man in charge of Canada's armed forces also voiced his disdain.<br />
<br />
&quot;This initiative is insulting to Muslims and Canadians of all faiths who understand that freedom of thought and freedom of religion are fundamental to our way of living,&quot; Defence Minister Peter MacKay said in a statement.<br />
<br />
&quot;We call on this pastor to bring people together, not break them apart.&quot;<br />
<br />
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defence Secretary Robert Gates echoed objections first raised by the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, who warned that the proposed event would place the lives of American troops in jeopardy there and elsewhere.<br />
<br />
MacKay said Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are not fighting Islam or Islamic beliefs, but rather &quot;an extremist and brutal enemy ... that condones public stonings, pours acid in the faces of Muslim schoolgirls who want a better future, and wishes to rule people by fear, intimidation and violence.&quot;<br />
<br />
Canadians, MacKay said, take pride in their country's fundamental values of freedom of religion and thought.<br />
<br />
&quot;We are a country built on waves of immigrants who made Canada and who we are today,&quot; he said.<br />
<br />
&quot;Our values are what binds Canadians together during our hardest battles and our darkest moments. We recognized the strength of these attributes in our society on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, and we rallied our spirits in the days that followed that terrible day with the knowledge that respecting our uniqueness brings Canadians closer together.&quot;<br />
<br />
Jones has been under intense pressure from the White House and religious leaders to call off his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God, but so far he's shown no signs of backing down.</blockquote><br />
<br />
[url=http&#58;//ca&#46;news&#46;yahoo&#46;com/s/capress/100908/national/quran_burning_cda]Article continued here[/url] ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:39</date> 
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<title>biovectra seeks to stop construction of  apts (171 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362763#362763</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Buccaneer&quot;]This is a prime example of poor planning in the Charlottetown area. The government is already underway with expanding the industrial park by starting the new Biocommons one. The land between the highway and the bypass should have all be rezoned so as to exclude residential housing.<br />
 <br />
All over Charlottetown and the surrounding areas there are these smaller type apartment units popping up pretty much right on the highways which will further limit widening of our roads as future needs could and likely will dictate. <br />
<br />
Don't get me wrong, I fully support anyone with the fortitude and abilities to operate their own businesses, but there does need to be some guidance. Another case in point is the new apt building that just went up in Winsloe that is crammed in between two homes. Sure glad I don't live on either side of it  <!-- s#-o --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_doh.gif&#34; alt=&#34;#-o&#34; title=&#34;d'oh!&#34; /><!-- s#-o --></blockquote><br />
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I can't wait to hear what the City has to say.....should be interesting!... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Buccaneer&quot;]This is a prime example of poor planning in the Charlottetown area. The government is already underway with expanding the industrial park by starting the new Biocommons one. The land between the highway and the bypass should have all be rezoned so as to exclude residential housing.<br />
 <br />
All over Charlottetown and the surrounding areas there are these smaller type apartment units popping up pretty much right on the highways which will further limit widening of our roads as future needs could and likely will dictate. <br />
<br />
Don't get me wrong, I fully support anyone with the fortitude and abilities to operate their own businesses, but there does need to be some guidance. Another case in point is the new apt building that just went up in Winsloe that is crammed in between two homes. Sure glad I don't live on either side of it  <!-- s#-o --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_doh.gif&#34; alt=&#34;#-o&#34; title=&#34;d'oh!&#34; /><!-- s#-o --></blockquote><br />
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I can't wait to hear what the City has to say.....should be interesting! ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:34</date> 
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<title>Tim Horton's Extra-Large Trouble-Trouble (9 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362762#362762</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ <!-- m --><a class=&#34;postlink&#34; href=&#34;http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance/article/yfinance/1813/tim-hortons-extra-large-trouble-trouble&#34;>http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/personal-fi ... le-trouble</a><!-- m -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ <!-- m --><a class=&#34;postlink&#34; href=&#34;http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/personal-finance/article/yfinance/1813/tim-hortons-extra-large-trouble-trouble&#34;>http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/personal-fi ... le-trouble</a><!-- m --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:31</date> 
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<title>biovectra seeks to stop construction of  apts (157 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362761#362761</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ This is a prime example of poor planning in the Charlottetown area. The government is already underway with expanding the industrial park by starting the new Biocommons one. The land between the highway and the bypass should have all be rezoned so as to exclude residential housing.<br />
 <br />
All over Charlottetown and the surrounding areas there are these smaller type apartment units popping up pretty much right on the highways which will further limit widening of our roads as future needs could and likely will dictate. <br />
<br />
Don't get me wrong, I fully support anyone with the fortitude and abilities to operate their own businesses, but there does need to be some guidance. Another case in point is the new apt building that just went up in Winsloe that is crammed in between two homes. Sure glad I don't live on either side of it  <!-- s#-o --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_doh.gif&#34; alt=&#34;#-o&#34; title=&#34;d'oh!&#34; /><!-- s#-o -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ This is a prime example of poor planning in the Charlottetown area. The government is already underway with expanding the industrial park by starting the new Biocommons one. The land between the highway and the bypass should have all be rezoned so as to exclude residential housing.<br />
 <br />
All over Charlottetown and the surrounding areas there are these smaller type apartment units popping up pretty much right on the highways which will further limit widening of our roads as future needs could and likely will dictate. <br />
<br />
Don't get me wrong, I fully support anyone with the fortitude and abilities to operate their own businesses, but there does need to be some guidance. Another case in point is the new apt building that just went up in Winsloe that is crammed in between two homes. Sure glad I don't live on either side of it  <!-- s#-o --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_doh.gif&#34; alt=&#34;#-o&#34; title=&#34;d'oh!&#34; /><!-- s#-o --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:23</date> 
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<title>Fries with the Works - History and Who makes the best? (1226 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362760#362760</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ From the Toronto Sun - Check out the bolded area about 3/4 down.<br />
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CHARLOTTETOWN -- Treasure Island, one might think, is a jewel in the Caribbean, the locale of a Robert Louis Stevenson novel. In fact, it lies off Canada's east coast and has the magical ability to freeze time.<br />
<br />
Top-hatted gentlemen, hoop-skirted ladies, clog-shoed farmers, pig-tailed red-haired lasses, and ever-present Acadian, Scots and Irish fiddlers come to life in virtually every corner of the Garden of the Gulf, the Cradle of Confederation, or as it calls itself these days, the Gentle Island.<br />
<br />
Truly, if God was Canadian, Prince Edward Island would be His Eden.<br />
<br />
At least in summer; balmy climate notwithstanding, P.E.I. weather can turn nasty. It's common for winter events to have &quot;storm&quot; dates and for townsfolk to head home from the office at noon to avoid snowdrifts whipped 1 1/2 metres high by winds off Northumberland Strait or Gulf of St. Lawrence, neither more than 15 km away.<br />
<br />
We spent a month in Canada's smallest province in July, so lay plans now for next summer if you want to visit when activities celebrating Island life, culture and history are running full tilt. Fall is colourful and quiet, winter brisk and spring an awakening experience in this pastoral, laid-back, idyllic realm.<br />
<br />
Islanders are aware of their place in Canadian history (the number of Maple Leaf flags flying from houses is something we all could copy) but their very soul lies in the patchwork fields of potatoes, corn and wheat, pastures of contented dairy cows, the white and red beaches encircling the island and, most of all, the music.<br />
<br />
This isn't your Don Messers, Charlie Chamberlains or Stompin' Toms. This is Leon Gallant, Mike Pendergast, Gordon Belsher, Richard Wood, and Cynthia MacLeod. This is Scots and Irish ceilidhs (kay-lees) and &quot;kitchen parties&quot; where the fiddle is the driving engine.<br />
<br />
You can experience the toe-tapping, hand-clapping tunes -- On the Red Dirt Road, Down by the Bay B'y, (They're playing our) Island Favourites (in the Legion at Rustico Bay), or the rum-running exploits of the storied Nellie J. Banks -- to sing or dance along to, and the jigs and reels that snap you out of your lethargy, almost any night of week in community halls across the Island. (OK, OK, admittedly they might put Bud the Spud on the program).<br />
<br />
And if you're based in Charlottetown, you're no more than about 90 minutes away from the furthest. Charlottetown has a population of about 32,000 people and is loaded with yesteryear -- Province House, where Confederation was conceived in 1864, Founders' Hall on the waterfront which celebrates that event, massive century-old churches such as Trinity United (1863, originally Methodist), St. Paul's Anglican (1896) and St. Dunstan's Roman Catholic basilica (1907).<br />
<br />
Even the transit buses are built to resemble Victorian-era trolleys. The downtown is compact and very pedestrian-friendly. You can even stay in Fairholm Mansion, built in 1838, and now a national historic site -- starting at about $500-plus a night.<br />
<br />
Turn-of-the-century downtown residences are multi-coloured, like you see on the TV commercials for Newfoundland, many no more than a metre apart, fronting right on the sidewalk. They're usually two- to 2 1/2-storeys high, often gabled and turreted.<br />
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In the countryside, church steeples are P.E.I. landmarks the way grain elevators are (or used to be) in the west. These are invariably white and steep-roofed, perched on a rise of ground, and the majority seem to be Presbyterian or Catholic -- no surprise when you consider two rootstocks of early Islanders, the Scots and Acadians. The oldest church is St. John's Presbyterian, erected in 1824 by Lord Selkirk's settlers.<br />
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There is a historic village at Orwell Corner that captures life in 1895, including an agricultural heritage museum, one-room schoolhouse, shingle mill, carriage house, blacksmith and general store featuring goods such as Perry Davis Pain Killer (which Mark Twain described as &quot;most detestable&quot;), Keiller's Dundee marmalade (still produced today), and toilet paper in square packets. Costumed staff show you pioneer techniques including how to make candles and ropes.<br />
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And there are the sentinel lighthouses, ringing the province from North Cape and Tignish Run &quot;up west&quot; to East Point and Cape Bear (the first to hear the Titanic's SOS) &quot;down east.&quot; The oldest is Point Prim, built in 1845 at Charlottetown harbour.<br />
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Lucy Maud Montgomery's Anne Shirley is a go-to attraction for fans, centred on the Green Gables Shore, but an equally iconic lure is Cows Creamery with outlets at sites such as Avonlea Village at Cavendish or Peake's Wharf in the capital. It's not just the thick and rich cones (starting at about $4) but the tongue-in-cheek labels -- Sidney Cowsby and Tim Holstein Double Double for example -- on everything from T-shirts to playing cards.<br />
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And the crafts! Woollens, sea glass, carvings, paintings, sculpture, pottery. My wife was in heaven (which is why we brought an extra suitcase)!<br />
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[u][i][b]FWTW and more<br />
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People can joke all they want about &quot;heart attack on a plate&quot; when they refer to poutine, the classic French-Canadian combo of fries, cheese curds and gravy, but as Al Jolson quipped in the first talkie movie, &quot;You ain't seen nothin' yet&quot; -- not until you visit Prince Edward Island[/b][/i][/u].<br />
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[u][u][b]Fries With The Works (FWTW), apparently a P.E.I. creation, is a melange of french fries, fried hamburger, fried onions, gravy and peas (mushrooms are optional). It's surprisingly delicious but be careful: One order is sufficient for two people with adventurous appetites at Charlottetown's Hunter's Ale House restaurant.<br />
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The Island may be famed for its seafood -- including Malpeque oysters, blue mussels, scallops, cod, haddock, shrimp and the omnipresent lobster (including Subway's lobster wrap and McDonald's McLobster) -- but for those &quot;From Away,&quot; FWTW is but one example of another world of culinary delights or, depending on your taste buds and digestive tract, maybe not.<br />
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Take the invention, about 1938 it seems, of the tuna and jelly sandwich, a mixture of canned tuna, lime or orange Jello-O, Miracle Whip, grated carrot, green onions and whipping cream. It is, apparently, to die for. Or how about lobster-flavoured potato chips? Mmm-MMM! A snack right up there with chocolate-coated potato chips, chocolate-coated pretzels and chocolate-coated licorice!<br />
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Speaking of chocolate, nothing tops off a scrumptious serving of beer-battered haddock at Brits Fish &amp; Chips in Charlottetown than their deep-fried Mars bar served with a scoop of vanilla ice cream topped with chocolate syrup.<br />
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Islanders' apparent craving for chocolate is only surpassed by battered or breaded deep-fried everything, from veggies to pizza to dill pickles (with honey mustard dipping sauce). And if you want the ultimate &quot;Cardiac Arrest&quot; (so named on the Hunter's Ale House menu), have the paramedics standing by when you munch on the deep-fried spicy pepperoni![/b][/u][/u]<br />
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Personally, my hardest menu decisions came at breakfast: Would it be the crab cakes with baked beans or the fried baloney with eggs?<br />
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GETTING THERE<br />
<br />
WestJet and Air Canada have direct flights to Charlottetown airport. By car, take the Confederation Bridge from New Brunswick or the Wood Islands/Caribou ferry from Nova Scotia. You don't pay to cross to PEI; you do pay to leave ($42 bridge, $64 ferry).... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ From the Toronto Sun - Check out the bolded area about 3/4 down.<br />
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<br />
CHARLOTTETOWN -- Treasure Island, one might think, is a jewel in the Caribbean, the locale of a Robert Louis Stevenson novel. In fact, it lies off Canada's east coast and has the magical ability to freeze time.<br />
<br />
Top-hatted gentlemen, hoop-skirted ladies, clog-shoed farmers, pig-tailed red-haired lasses, and ever-present Acadian, Scots and Irish fiddlers come to life in virtually every corner of the Garden of the Gulf, the Cradle of Confederation, or as it calls itself these days, the Gentle Island.<br />
<br />
Truly, if God was Canadian, Prince Edward Island would be His Eden.<br />
<br />
At least in summer; balmy climate notwithstanding, P.E.I. weather can turn nasty. It's common for winter events to have &quot;storm&quot; dates and for townsfolk to head home from the office at noon to avoid snowdrifts whipped 1 1/2 metres high by winds off Northumberland Strait or Gulf of St. Lawrence, neither more than 15 km away.<br />
<br />
We spent a month in Canada's smallest province in July, so lay plans now for next summer if you want to visit when activities celebrating Island life, culture and history are running full tilt. Fall is colourful and quiet, winter brisk and spring an awakening experience in this pastoral, laid-back, idyllic realm.<br />
<br />
Islanders are aware of their place in Canadian history (the number of Maple Leaf flags flying from houses is something we all could copy) but their very soul lies in the patchwork fields of potatoes, corn and wheat, pastures of contented dairy cows, the white and red beaches encircling the island and, most of all, the music.<br />
<br />
This isn't your Don Messers, Charlie Chamberlains or Stompin' Toms. This is Leon Gallant, Mike Pendergast, Gordon Belsher, Richard Wood, and Cynthia MacLeod. This is Scots and Irish ceilidhs (kay-lees) and &quot;kitchen parties&quot; where the fiddle is the driving engine.<br />
<br />
You can experience the toe-tapping, hand-clapping tunes -- On the Red Dirt Road, Down by the Bay B'y, (They're playing our) Island Favourites (in the Legion at Rustico Bay), or the rum-running exploits of the storied Nellie J. Banks -- to sing or dance along to, and the jigs and reels that snap you out of your lethargy, almost any night of week in community halls across the Island. (OK, OK, admittedly they might put Bud the Spud on the program).<br />
<br />
And if you're based in Charlottetown, you're no more than about 90 minutes away from the furthest. Charlottetown has a population of about 32,000 people and is loaded with yesteryear -- Province House, where Confederation was conceived in 1864, Founders' Hall on the waterfront which celebrates that event, massive century-old churches such as Trinity United (1863, originally Methodist), St. Paul's Anglican (1896) and St. Dunstan's Roman Catholic basilica (1907).<br />
<br />
Even the transit buses are built to resemble Victorian-era trolleys. The downtown is compact and very pedestrian-friendly. You can even stay in Fairholm Mansion, built in 1838, and now a national historic site -- starting at about $500-plus a night.<br />
<br />
Turn-of-the-century downtown residences are multi-coloured, like you see on the TV commercials for Newfoundland, many no more than a metre apart, fronting right on the sidewalk. They're usually two- to 2 1/2-storeys high, often gabled and turreted.<br />
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In the countryside, church steeples are P.E.I. landmarks the way grain elevators are (or used to be) in the west. These are invariably white and steep-roofed, perched on a rise of ground, and the majority seem to be Presbyterian or Catholic -- no surprise when you consider two rootstocks of early Islanders, the Scots and Acadians. The oldest church is St. John's Presbyterian, erected in 1824 by Lord Selkirk's settlers.<br />
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There is a historic village at Orwell Corner that captures life in 1895, including an agricultural heritage museum, one-room schoolhouse, shingle mill, carriage house, blacksmith and general store featuring goods such as Perry Davis Pain Killer (which Mark Twain described as &quot;most detestable&quot;), Keiller's Dundee marmalade (still produced today), and toilet paper in square packets. Costumed staff show you pioneer techniques including how to make candles and ropes.<br />
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And there are the sentinel lighthouses, ringing the province from North Cape and Tignish Run &quot;up west&quot; to East Point and Cape Bear (the first to hear the Titanic's SOS) &quot;down east.&quot; The oldest is Point Prim, built in 1845 at Charlottetown harbour.<br />
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Lucy Maud Montgomery's Anne Shirley is a go-to attraction for fans, centred on the Green Gables Shore, but an equally iconic lure is Cows Creamery with outlets at sites such as Avonlea Village at Cavendish or Peake's Wharf in the capital. It's not just the thick and rich cones (starting at about $4) but the tongue-in-cheek labels -- Sidney Cowsby and Tim Holstein Double Double for example -- on everything from T-shirts to playing cards.<br />
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And the crafts! Woollens, sea glass, carvings, paintings, sculpture, pottery. My wife was in heaven (which is why we brought an extra suitcase)!<br />
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[u][i][b]FWTW and more<br />
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People can joke all they want about &quot;heart attack on a plate&quot; when they refer to poutine, the classic French-Canadian combo of fries, cheese curds and gravy, but as Al Jolson quipped in the first talkie movie, &quot;You ain't seen nothin' yet&quot; -- not until you visit Prince Edward Island[/b][/i][/u].<br />
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[u][u][b]Fries With The Works (FWTW), apparently a P.E.I. creation, is a melange of french fries, fried hamburger, fried onions, gravy and peas (mushrooms are optional). It's surprisingly delicious but be careful: One order is sufficient for two people with adventurous appetites at Charlottetown's Hunter's Ale House restaurant.<br />
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The Island may be famed for its seafood -- including Malpeque oysters, blue mussels, scallops, cod, haddock, shrimp and the omnipresent lobster (including Subway's lobster wrap and McDonald's McLobster) -- but for those &quot;From Away,&quot; FWTW is but one example of another world of culinary delights or, depending on your taste buds and digestive tract, maybe not.<br />
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Take the invention, about 1938 it seems, of the tuna and jelly sandwich, a mixture of canned tuna, lime or orange Jello-O, Miracle Whip, grated carrot, green onions and whipping cream. It is, apparently, to die for. Or how about lobster-flavoured potato chips? Mmm-MMM! A snack right up there with chocolate-coated potato chips, chocolate-coated pretzels and chocolate-coated licorice!<br />
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Speaking of chocolate, nothing tops off a scrumptious serving of beer-battered haddock at Brits Fish &amp; Chips in Charlottetown than their deep-fried Mars bar served with a scoop of vanilla ice cream topped with chocolate syrup.<br />
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Islanders' apparent craving for chocolate is only surpassed by battered or breaded deep-fried everything, from veggies to pizza to dill pickles (with honey mustard dipping sauce). And if you want the ultimate &quot;Cardiac Arrest&quot; (so named on the Hunter's Ale House menu), have the paramedics standing by when you munch on the deep-fried spicy pepperoni![/b][/u][/u]<br />
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Personally, my hardest menu decisions came at breakfast: Would it be the crab cakes with baked beans or the fried baloney with eggs?<br />
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GETTING THERE<br />
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WestJet and Air Canada have direct flights to Charlottetown airport. By car, take the Confederation Bridge from New Brunswick or the Wood Islands/Caribou ferry from Nova Scotia. You don't pay to cross to PEI; you do pay to leave ($42 bridge, $64 ferry). ]]></content> 
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<title>horrible (9 Words)</title> 
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<description><![CDATA[ I think someone clicked new topic instead of reply.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ I think someone clicked new topic instead of reply. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:16</date> 
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<title>biovectra seeks to stop construction of  apts (79 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362758#362758</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;partly skimmed&quot;]isnt biovectra a new building too? funny how they would've even received approval to build industrilized business right next door to land slated for residential property. something is amiss at the greater charlottetown area development and planning department!</blockquote><br />
You are thinking of the new BioVectra building near the airport.<br />
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The Biovectra facility under discussion is the original Diagnostic Chemicals (Biovectra's old name) building that has been in the West Royalty Industrial Park for more than 2 decades.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;partly skimmed&quot;]isnt biovectra a new building too? funny how they would've even received approval to build industrilized business right next door to land slated for residential property. something is amiss at the greater charlottetown area development and planning department!</blockquote><br />
You are thinking of the new BioVectra building near the airport.<br />
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The Biovectra facility under discussion is the original Diagnostic Chemicals (Biovectra's old name) building that has been in the West Royalty Industrial Park for more than 2 decades. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:15</date> 
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<title>Island Waste Watch amd Recycing (45 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362757#362757</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;timeforchange&quot;]Seems to be random.<br />
I usually use grocery store bags. I was once rejected for using them.<br />
One time out of hundreds.</blockquote><br />
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The collector's don't stop and thoroughly examine every bin at every household, we'd need thousands of collectors if that was the case.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;timeforchange&quot;]Seems to be random.<br />
I usually use grocery store bags. I was once rejected for using them.<br />
One time out of hundreds.</blockquote><br />
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The collector's don't stop and thoroughly examine every bin at every household, we'd need thousands of collectors if that was the case. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:11</date> 
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<title>harvest time..what are you making ... (40 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362756#362756</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Thus far I've made:<br />
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fresh salsa<br />
tomato soup<br />
apple pie<br />
apple streudel<br />
apple cider<br />
apple chips<br />
frozen apples<br />
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To come:<br />
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Carrot soup<br />
carrot cake<br />
tomato sauce<br />
more apple chips, pies, muffins...... feels like I'll never run out... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Thus far I've made:<br />
<br />
fresh salsa<br />
tomato soup<br />
apple pie<br />
apple streudel<br />
apple cider<br />
apple chips<br />
frozen apples<br />
<br />
To come:<br />
<br />
Carrot soup<br />
carrot cake<br />
tomato sauce<br />
more apple chips, pies, muffins...... feels like I'll never run out ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:06</date> 
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<title>Bin Laden won the war long ago. (173 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362755#362755</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Crusher&quot;][quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;][quote=&quot;Crusher&quot;]<br />
Wow where did you come up with THAT gem!! <!-- s:wink: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:wink:&#34; title=&#34;Wink&#34; /><!-- s:wink: --> <br />
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By seeing what it has cost us in troops, what it has cost them in civilian deaths, what is has cost to pay for and [b]most[/b] importantly what places like Bosnia and Afghanistan did to my brother, who retired from the military two years ago.<br />
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Tool.</blockquote><br />
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That is the price of freedom for other countries if history is any judge.WW2 cost us;look what it gave us.Plus your brothers [b]choice[/b] was to go in the military as I assume he was of age.Choice is what is offered in a freedom;your brother made that choice to become military.<br />
Move on please............and don't get all moral and emotionally bias just because your brother went to Bosnia.First sign of argument lost.........moe</blockquote><br />
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He had no problem serving or making a sacrifice, still doesn't, his problems were due to the fact that there was little good (or none) any of them made over there.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Crusher&quot;][quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;][quote=&quot;Crusher&quot;]<br />
Wow where did you come up with THAT gem!! <!-- s:wink: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:wink:&#34; title=&#34;Wink&#34; /><!-- s:wink: --> <br />
</blockquote><br />
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By seeing what it has cost us in troops, what it has cost them in civilian deaths, what is has cost to pay for and [b]most[/b] importantly what places like Bosnia and Afghanistan did to my brother, who retired from the military two years ago.<br />
<br />
Tool.</blockquote><br />
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That is the price of freedom for other countries if history is any judge.WW2 cost us;look what it gave us.Plus your brothers [b]choice[/b] was to go in the military as I assume he was of age.Choice is what is offered in a freedom;your brother made that choice to become military.<br />
Move on please............and don't get all moral and emotionally bias just because your brother went to Bosnia.First sign of argument lost.........moe</blockquote><br />
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He had no problem serving or making a sacrifice, still doesn't, his problems were due to the fact that there was little good (or none) any of them made over there. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:05</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (39 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362754#362754</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ None of those absolute truths seem to be advocating violence.<br />
Again, it is the radicals and the unstable who take these readings and manipulate them to reach their own sick goals that are the problem. <br />
Not the religions.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ None of those absolute truths seem to be advocating violence.<br />
Again, it is the radicals and the unstable who take these readings and manipulate them to reach their own sick goals that are the problem. <br />
Not the religions. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 11:03</date> 
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<title>Island Waste Watch amd Recycing (22 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362753#362753</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Seems to be random.<br />
I usually use grocery store bags. I was once rejected for using them.<br />
One time out of hundreds.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Seems to be random.<br />
I usually use grocery store bags. I was once rejected for using them.<br />
One time out of hundreds. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:55</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (318 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362752#362752</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ That would depend on what religion you were looking at, but they all require you to take their philosophy as the one absolute truth - without question.  When you ask what proof exists for their position, you are told that you have to have faith (acceptence without proof).<br />
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Here is a list of absolute truths according to the big 3 religions:<br />
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Christians believe that God exists and He created all that is both seen and unseen. Jesus is the Son of God and is one with God. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus suffered and was crucified, died and was buried, rose again, ascended into Heaven (bodily) and will return one day to judge the living and the dead.<br />
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Muslims believe in the &quot;Six Articles of Faith.&quot; To be a Muslim one must believe in: <br />
1. One God.<br />
2. The angels of God.<br />
3. The books of God, especially the Qur'an.<br />
4. The prophets of God, especially Muhammad.<br />
5. The Day of Judgment (or the afterlife).<br />
6. The supremacy of God's will (or predestination).<br />
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<br />
The Jews have 13 Articles of Faith. To be a Jew one must believe:<br />
1. God exists.<br />
2. God is one and unique.<br />
3. God is incorporeal.<br />
4. God is eternal.<br />
5. Prayer is to God only.<br />
6. The prophets spoke truth.<br />
7. Moses was the greatest of the prophets.<br />
8. The Written and Oral Torah were given to Moses.<br />
9. There will be no other Torah.<br />
10. God knows the thoughts and deeds of men.<br />
11. God will reward the good and punish the wicked.<br />
12. The Messiah will come.<br />
13. The dead will be resurrected.<br />
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[quote=&quot;alandla&quot;][quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;]When the basic requirements to be a member of any organization requires you to suspend common sense in order to be a member,</blockquote><br />
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What exactly are the basic requirements?</blockquote>... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ That would depend on what religion you were looking at, but they all require you to take their philosophy as the one absolute truth - without question.  When you ask what proof exists for their position, you are told that you have to have faith (acceptence without proof).<br />
<br />
Here is a list of absolute truths according to the big 3 religions:<br />
<br />
Christians believe that God exists and He created all that is both seen and unseen. Jesus is the Son of God and is one with God. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus suffered and was crucified, died and was buried, rose again, ascended into Heaven (bodily) and will return one day to judge the living and the dead.<br />
<br />
Muslims believe in the &quot;Six Articles of Faith.&quot; To be a Muslim one must believe in: <br />
1. One God.<br />
2. The angels of God.<br />
3. The books of God, especially the Qur'an.<br />
4. The prophets of God, especially Muhammad.<br />
5. The Day of Judgment (or the afterlife).<br />
6. The supremacy of God's will (or predestination).<br />
<br />
<br />
The Jews have 13 Articles of Faith. To be a Jew one must believe:<br />
1. God exists.<br />
2. God is one and unique.<br />
3. God is incorporeal.<br />
4. God is eternal.<br />
5. Prayer is to God only.<br />
6. The prophets spoke truth.<br />
7. Moses was the greatest of the prophets.<br />
8. The Written and Oral Torah were given to Moses.<br />
9. There will be no other Torah.<br />
10. God knows the thoughts and deeds of men.<br />
11. God will reward the good and punish the wicked.<br />
12. The Messiah will come.<br />
13. The dead will be resurrected.<br />
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[quote=&quot;alandla&quot;][quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;]When the basic requirements to be a member of any organization requires you to suspend common sense in order to be a member,</blockquote><br />
<br />
What exactly are the basic requirements?</blockquote> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:55</date> 
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<title>Island Waste Watch amd Recycing (32 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362751#362751</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;] <br />
I've had my black bin rejected and ticketed for having opaque black garbage bags.</blockquote><br />
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We always have the good ole black garbage bags in our black bin....never been rejected.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;] <br />
I've had my black bin rejected and ticketed for having opaque black garbage bags.</blockquote><br />
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We always have the good ole black garbage bags in our black bin....never been rejected. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:52</date> 
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<title>Chez Yvonnes Restaurant (37 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362750#362750</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ My first time there(I've never heard of the place) and the place was full. The service was excellent and the food(fish &amp; chips and the chicken dinner) was equal to the service. I would definitely go back!... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ My first time there(I've never heard of the place) and the place was full. The service was excellent and the food(fish &amp; chips and the chicken dinner) was equal to the service. I would definitely go back! ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:46</date> 
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<title>Island Waste Watch amd Recycing (16 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362749#362749</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;]Thanks for the legwork Foxrun!</blockquote><br />
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Actually, their website and email inquiry system works real well......... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;greenspree&quot;]Thanks for the legwork Foxrun!</blockquote><br />
<br />
Actually, their website and email inquiry system works real well...... ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:40</date> 
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<title>Island Waste Watch amd Recycing (31 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362748#362748</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;alandla&quot;][quote=&quot;FoxRun&quot;]Dear Foxrun,</blockquote><br />
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Oh you must have issues with your parents for giving you that name  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: --></blockquote><br />
<br />
no more then alandla......LOL... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;alandla&quot;][quote=&quot;FoxRun&quot;]Dear Foxrun,</blockquote><br />
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Oh you must have issues with your parents for giving you that name  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:lol:&#34; title=&#34;Laughing&#34; /><!-- s:lol: --></blockquote><br />
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no more then alandla......LOL ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:36</date> 
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<title>horrible (29 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362747#362747</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ I dunno, you would think their marketing guys would have come up with something better sounding than &quot;Horrible&quot;   <!-- s:) --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:)&#34; title=&#34;Smile&#34; /><!-- s:) -->... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ I dunno, you would think their marketing guys would have come up with something better sounding than &quot;Horrible&quot;   <!-- s:) --><img src=&#34;{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif&#34; alt=&#34;:)&#34; title=&#34;Smile&#34; /><!-- s:) --> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:34</date> 
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<title>biovectra seeks to stop construction of  apts (38 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362746#362746</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ isnt biovectra a new building too? funny how they would've even received approval to build industrilized business right next door to land slated for residential property. something is amiss at the greater charlottetown area development and planning department!... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ isnt biovectra a new building too? funny how they would've even received approval to build industrilized business right next door to land slated for residential property. something is amiss at the greater charlottetown area development and planning department! ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:24</date> 
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<title>horrible (12 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362745#362745</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ I haven't heard of this restaurant called horrible.<br />
Where is it located?... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ I haven't heard of this restaurant called horrible.<br />
Where is it located? ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:22</date> 
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<title>Looking for a Chimney Sweep (14 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362744#362744</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ i will back allison's work. or my parents would. he does theirs for them.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ i will back allison's work. or my parents would. he does theirs for them. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:21</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (86 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362743#362743</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Just to get back to the actual thread title which is a pretty important topic &quot;Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday&quot;, these people are sick and dangerous.<br />
Are they protected by freedom of speech?<br />
If not, where is the line drawn?<br />
<br />
I think the common line is you can't yell &quot;fire&quot; in a crowded theatre. Given that many military people have come out and said that this action could very well cost people their lives does that not suspend their 1st amendment right?... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Just to get back to the actual thread title which is a pretty important topic &quot;Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday&quot;, these people are sick and dangerous.<br />
Are they protected by freedom of speech?<br />
If not, where is the line drawn?<br />
<br />
I think the common line is you can't yell &quot;fire&quot; in a crowded theatre. Given that many military people have come out and said that this action could very well cost people their lives does that not suspend their 1st amendment right? ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:19</date> 
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<title>horrible (1 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362742#362742</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ Huh?... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ Huh? ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:18</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (257 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362741#362741</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ LOL I had a run in with Aliant call centre yesterday.  My internet was down so I was just calling to report it.  Now, I never see a bill from them cuz my work pays it, so a)I don't know my account number and b)I don't have a home phone with them and have NO idea what phone number is associated with my internet.  Apparently they CANNOT bring up my account with my name and billing address, which I found crazy.  I was on the line with them for about 10 minutes, when asked if I had my account # or phone # I said no, they asked for my name/adress, I had to spell and re-spell my name to the guy (who was a total snark from the very beginning of the call) and gave my billing address, then they again asked for my account number which I had already told the dude 4 or 5 times at the beginning of the call that I don't know...omg it was a downward cycle...why ask for my billing address etc if you can't look up my file with it?  Anyways, all I wanted to do was just report that the internet was down in my area, it wasn't worth the hassle and frustration so I just hung up on the guy.<br />
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**I know that I should have my account number, but I have never seen a bill.  Really, they should have a way to look up accounts by billing address/name imo**... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ LOL I had a run in with Aliant call centre yesterday.  My internet was down so I was just calling to report it.  Now, I never see a bill from them cuz my work pays it, so a)I don't know my account number and b)I don't have a home phone with them and have NO idea what phone number is associated with my internet.  Apparently they CANNOT bring up my account with my name and billing address, which I found crazy.  I was on the line with them for about 10 minutes, when asked if I had my account # or phone # I said no, they asked for my name/adress, I had to spell and re-spell my name to the guy (who was a total snark from the very beginning of the call) and gave my billing address, then they again asked for my account number which I had already told the dude 4 or 5 times at the beginning of the call that I don't know...omg it was a downward cycle...why ask for my billing address etc if you can't look up my file with it?  Anyways, all I wanted to do was just report that the internet was down in my area, it wasn't worth the hassle and frustration so I just hung up on the guy.<br />
<br />
**I know that I should have my account number, but I have never seen a bill.  Really, they should have a way to look up accounts by billing address/name imo** ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:15</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (89 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362740#362740</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ this thread = win.<br />
<br />
let's all bash bell and their derivatives. long live island tel. i can't get over how cratastic the service has gotten in such a short time. now there isnt even an office you can go to and deal with a person. the people at the dealer booths just refer you to the toll free line. and here i sit in my complacency while i give them all my money every month. one of these days i'll get fed up and switch to eastlink. lol.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ this thread = win.<br />
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let's all bash bell and their derivatives. long live island tel. i can't get over how cratastic the service has gotten in such a short time. now there isnt even an office you can go to and deal with a person. the people at the dealer booths just refer you to the toll free line. and here i sit in my complacency while i give them all my money every month. one of these days i'll get fed up and switch to eastlink. lol. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:15</date> 
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<title>Shinerama raises safety concerns (197 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362739#362739</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Whiney Galute&quot;][quote=&quot;FoxRun&quot;]...<br />
Tracey Adams, manager of special events with the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, said the students aren't supposed to go on the road.<br />
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&quot;There are excited students out there and we can't control everything at 65 locations across Canada,&quot; said Adams.<br />
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&quot;They are trained over and over again - at several conferences, manuals and stuff like that - they're not to lean over, not to pass boxes across streets, not to go into intersections.&quot;<br />
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Adams said the foundation will be extra careful to stress to next year's organizers in Charlottetown that the event is to take place on the sidewalk, not on the road.</blockquote><br />
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Glad to hear they are not supposed to be going on the road - it is so frustrating when you are in line to go through a left-turn light (that is only on for a few seconds), or any light really, and these fundraisers are bugging the car in front of you.  I wanted to just lay on the horn, but it's a fundraiser after all, and it's for a good cause.</blockquote><br />
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A very worthy cause, but unfortunately a few over zealous kids trying too hard!... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;Whiney Galute&quot;][quote=&quot;FoxRun&quot;]...<br />
Tracey Adams, manager of special events with the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, said the students aren't supposed to go on the road.<br />
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&quot;There are excited students out there and we can't control everything at 65 locations across Canada,&quot; said Adams.<br />
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&quot;They are trained over and over again - at several conferences, manuals and stuff like that - they're not to lean over, not to pass boxes across streets, not to go into intersections.&quot;<br />
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Adams said the foundation will be extra careful to stress to next year's organizers in Charlottetown that the event is to take place on the sidewalk, not on the road.</blockquote><br />
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Glad to hear they are not supposed to be going on the road - it is so frustrating when you are in line to go through a left-turn light (that is only on for a few seconds), or any light really, and these fundraisers are bugging the car in front of you.  I wanted to just lay on the horn, but it's a fundraiser after all, and it's for a good cause.</blockquote><br />
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A very worthy cause, but unfortunately a few over zealous kids trying too hard! ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:14</date> 
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<title>Florida Church Plans to Burn Qur'an on Saturday (470 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362738#362738</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ First off, I didn't think that we were arguing - I thought we were discussing rationally.  Secondly, I would have to say yes - that to some degree people who have religion are fanatics - but to varying degrees.  They have to be to be believers in a fanatical concept like a supreme being without being offered any proof that such a being exists. Faith is by its very nature fanatical. That position is not ludicrous, because there is no evidence to support the opposite opinion that a supreme being definitely exists.  I don't believe that there is an invisible man living in the sky.  How does that make me the fanatical one?<br />
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As for my analogy of the fire and the house - the fire was the tool of a fanatic. Period.  Fire is not fanatical but it was employed by a fanatic to achieve a fanatical result.  Where you were going with the Boy Scouts was cute but totally nonsensical.<br />
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[quote=&quot;Rob MacD&quot;][quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;]When the basic requirements to be a member of any organization requires you to suspend common sense in order to be a member, then that organization and its fanatical principles are the root cause of the horrors listed below and many others too.  <br />
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So you are saying that all people who have religion are fanatics?  Good luck with that stance.<br />
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You sound... I don't know.. fanatical... in your position.  If that truly is your position (that all people who have faith in a higher power are fanatical), then really there is no point to continue arguing with you.  Because, you know, that position is ludicrous.<br />
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<blockquote>To blame the people brainwashed by such organizations is like saying the fire destroyed the house - not the arsonist! Based on that, I would have to say that if anyone is contradicting themselves, it's you. </blockquote><br />
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Yeah, I don't quite understand how the fire analogy pertains to the argument you're trying to make, or how that shows that I'm contradicting myself.  <br />
Really, what you're trying to say with your argument (I think) is that all fires are culpable because some fires, set by arsonists, destroy houses.  <br />
That, of course, is wrong.<br />
Or, maybe your argument is:  Because some fires are set by arsonists, all fires are evil.<br />
That, of course, is wrong.<br />
Or, maybe your argument is:  The Boy Scouts of Canada is a terror organization because they teach scouts how to make fire, and undoubtedly a few scouts grow up to become arsonists.<br />
That, of course, is wrong.<br />
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And technically, in your analogy, the fire did destroy the house.  So, you know, your basic statement is wrong.  <br />
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Keep trying, though.</blockquote>... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ First off, I didn't think that we were arguing - I thought we were discussing rationally.  Secondly, I would have to say yes - that to some degree people who have religion are fanatics - but to varying degrees.  They have to be to be believers in a fanatical concept like a supreme being without being offered any proof that such a being exists. Faith is by its very nature fanatical. That position is not ludicrous, because there is no evidence to support the opposite opinion that a supreme being definitely exists.  I don't believe that there is an invisible man living in the sky.  How does that make me the fanatical one?<br />
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As for my analogy of the fire and the house - the fire was the tool of a fanatic. Period.  Fire is not fanatical but it was employed by a fanatic to achieve a fanatical result.  Where you were going with the Boy Scouts was cute but totally nonsensical.<br />
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[quote=&quot;Rob MacD&quot;][quote=&quot;sloughfoot&quot;]When the basic requirements to be a member of any organization requires you to suspend common sense in order to be a member, then that organization and its fanatical principles are the root cause of the horrors listed below and many others too.  <br />
</blockquote><br />
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So you are saying that all people who have religion are fanatics?  Good luck with that stance.<br />
<br />
You sound... I don't know.. fanatical... in your position.  If that truly is your position (that all people who have faith in a higher power are fanatical), then really there is no point to continue arguing with you.  Because, you know, that position is ludicrous.<br />
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<blockquote>To blame the people brainwashed by such organizations is like saying the fire destroyed the house - not the arsonist! Based on that, I would have to say that if anyone is contradicting themselves, it's you. </blockquote><br />
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Yeah, I don't quite understand how the fire analogy pertains to the argument you're trying to make, or how that shows that I'm contradicting myself.  <br />
Really, what you're trying to say with your argument (I think) is that all fires are culpable because some fires, set by arsonists, destroy houses.  <br />
That, of course, is wrong.<br />
Or, maybe your argument is:  Because some fires are set by arsonists, all fires are evil.<br />
That, of course, is wrong.<br />
Or, maybe your argument is:  The Boy Scouts of Canada is a terror organization because they teach scouts how to make fire, and undoubtedly a few scouts grow up to become arsonists.<br />
That, of course, is wrong.<br />
<br />
And technically, in your analogy, the fire did destroy the house.  So, you know, your basic statement is wrong.  <br />
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Keep trying, though.</blockquote> ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:13</date> 
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<title>horrible (6 Words)</title> 
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<description><![CDATA[ All I can say is atrocious!!!!!!... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ All I can say is atrocious!!!!!! ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:10</date> 
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<title>Shinerama raises safety concerns (181 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362736#362736</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;FoxRun&quot;]...<br />
Tracey Adams, manager of special events with the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, said the students aren't supposed to go on the road.<br />
<br />
&quot;There are excited students out there and we can't control everything at 65 locations across Canada,&quot; said Adams.<br />
<br />
&quot;They are trained over and over again - at several conferences, manuals and stuff like that - they're not to lean over, not to pass boxes across streets, not to go into intersections.&quot;<br />
<br />
Adams said the foundation will be extra careful to stress to next year's organizers in Charlottetown that the event is to take place on the sidewalk, not on the road.</blockquote><br />
<br />
Glad to hear they are not supposed to be going on the road - it is so frustrating when you are in line to go through a left-turn light (that is only on for a few seconds), or any light really, and these fundraisers are bugging the car in front of you.  I wanted to just lay on the horn, but it's a fundraiser after all, and it's for a good cause.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ [quote=&quot;FoxRun&quot;]...<br />
Tracey Adams, manager of special events with the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, said the students aren't supposed to go on the road.<br />
<br />
&quot;There are excited students out there and we can't control everything at 65 locations across Canada,&quot; said Adams.<br />
<br />
&quot;They are trained over and over again - at several conferences, manuals and stuff like that - they're not to lean over, not to pass boxes across streets, not to go into intersections.&quot;<br />
<br />
Adams said the foundation will be extra careful to stress to next year's organizers in Charlottetown that the event is to take place on the sidewalk, not on the road.</blockquote><br />
<br />
Glad to hear they are not supposed to be going on the road - it is so frustrating when you are in line to go through a left-turn light (that is only on for a few seconds), or any light really, and these fundraisers are bugging the car in front of you.  I wanted to just lay on the horn, but it's a fundraiser after all, and it's for a good cause. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 10:01</date> 
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<title>New Aliant Phone Centre Rant (137 Words)</title> 
<link>http://www.peiinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362735#362735</link> 
<description><![CDATA[ One of the stipulations in buying for me is that Eastlink HAS to confirm in writing that they provide service to the home -and complete service too - I simply flat out refuse to use Aliant/Bell for anything.  If we are buying somewhere where they 'say' they offer service, like the Wheatley River guy - before we buy I'd have an Eastlink tech person meet us at the house on home inspection day just to be certain.  The dream home could pass inspection - but if the Eastlink guy says 'No service' - even though their call center map said they do service that area, we're not buying.  This has happened once already.  I do not mind paying for the 'Eastlink inspection'/house call while purchasing a home.  I hate Aliant/Bell that much.... </a>]]></description> 
<content><![CDATA[ One of the stipulations in buying for me is that Eastlink HAS to confirm in writing that they provide service to the home -and complete service too - I simply flat out refuse to use Aliant/Bell for anything.  If we are buying somewhere where they 'say' they offer service, like the Wheatley River guy - before we buy I'd have an Eastlink tech person meet us at the house on home inspection day just to be certain.  The dream home could pass inspection - but if the Eastlink guy says 'No service' - even though their call center map said they do service that area, we're not buying.  This has happened once already.  I do not mind paying for the 'Eastlink inspection'/house call while purchasing a home.  I hate Aliant/Bell that much. ]]></content> 
<date>2010/09/09 09:51</date> 
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